On Competition, Moloch Traps, and the AI Arms Race

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A accessible, interview-format discussion aimed at a general audience; useful for introducing coordination failure and Moloch-trap framing to those new to AI safety concerns, though light on technical depth.

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A podcast interview with poker world champion and AI safety communicator Liv Boeree, exploring how competitive dynamics and 'Moloch traps' apply to the AI arms race. Boeree draws on her background in physics and professional poker to explain how individually rational competitive behaviors can lead to collectively catastrophic outcomes, and what this means for AI development.

Key Points

•Liv Boeree uses the concept of 'Moloch traps' to describe how competitive pressures can force actors into races that are bad for everyone, including in AI development.
•Her professional poker background gives her a unique lens on distinguishing healthy competition from reckless, race-to-the-bottom dynamics.
•The AI arms race between nations and companies mirrors game-theoretic prisoner's dilemmas where individual incentives undermine collective safety.
•Boeree argues that awareness of these coordination failures is a first step toward designing better competitive structures and norms around AI.
•The interview connects concepts from game theory, evolutionary biology, and moral philosophy to AI governance challenges.

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## Liv Boeree: On Competition, Moloch Traps, and the A.I. Arms Race

A poker world champion knows a lot about healthy vs reckless competition

[Eric Topol](https://substack.com/@erictopol)

Jan 13, 2024

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_Transcript of our conversation 8 January 2023, edited for accuracy, with external links_

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**Eric Topol**

It’s a pleasure for me to have Liv Boeree as our Ground Truths podcast guest today. I met her at the [TED meeting in October](https://www.ted.com/talks/liv_boeree_the_dark_side_of_competition_in_ai) dedicated to AI. I think she's one of the most interesting people I’ve met in years and the first time I've ever interviewed a professional poker player who has won world championships and we're going to go through that whole story, so welcome Liv.

**Liv Boeree**

Thanks for having me, Eric.

**Eric Topol**

You have an amazing background having been at the University of Manchester in physics and astrophysics. Back around in 2005 you landed into the poker world. Maybe you could help us understand how you went from physics to poker.

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## **From Physics to Poker**

**Liv Boeree**

Ah, yeah. It's a strange story, I graduated as you said in 2005 and I had student debt and needed to get a job I had plans to continue in academia. I wanted to do a masters and then a PhD to work in astrophysics in some way, but I needed to make some money, so I started applying for TV game shows and it was on one of these game shows that I first learned how to play poker. They were looking for beginners and the loose premise of the show was which personality type is best suited for learning the game and even though I didn't win that particular show we were playing for a winner take all prize of £100,000 which was a life changing amount of money had I won it at the time. It was like a light bulb moment just the game and I’ve always been a very competitive person, but poker in particular really spoke to

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